May 1, 2004

Super tough pronunciation question

From ESL go.com's questions forum:


Ok, today's question is.. do you (as a native English speaker) make distinction between syllables when you speak a word? You know.. like.. first syllable, then second one and so on.
How do you know where one syllable starts and ends?

What I mean by that is...
do you make conscious, unconscious, physical or psychological effort to give a distinction between syllables in a word when you speak them?
If so, that means you know how many syllables there are in a word and you know what they are, right?
Then how did you manage to make such syllabic divisions in a word when the English alphabetical spelling doesn't tell you how to do that.

For example, when you say the two syllable word 'playing' /pleI.Ing/ ,
Do you first say, /pleI/ then /Ing/ so it's aurally different from one syllable word /pleIng/ (I know the word doesn't exist in English..)?

*please note that I used a dot (.) to indicate syllabic division

Or..

For the word 'better'
should /bet. er/ sound different from /be. ter/ (if the accent difference is disregarded)?

If they sound different, is it because you gave a small pause or glottal stop between the two syllables? If not how did you differenciate the two examples above?

Ok, here is a background of why I'm asking such questions..

I always believed that syllables are the order of consisting sounds when a word is spoken because I do consciously speak by syllables when I speak my native language (Korean) which incidentally spelled in syllables.

There is only one letter for one syllable where one letter can be consisted of multiple phonemic symbols.

So there is no chance of confusing where the inter-vocalic consonent should go (to the left syllable or to the right) as I do in English.. and I can't even begin to fathom how on earth can one syllable have upto 9 or 10 letters in it as they do in English. (ie. scrunched)

The word scrunched would sound like it has 5 syllables for a Korean because, in Korean, you can't have a consonent only sound (like 's' in scrunched).In other words, we actually have a vowel for every syllable we pronounce, and yes even the "s" only sound. So a Korean would pronounce the word "scrunched" as below

/s. k. run. ch. t/

5 syllables, not one..and it sound completely different from original one syllabic word.
Hence...I'm stumped because I can't figure out where the syllables start and ends in English and whether I should give any kind of indication (ie: a small pause maybe?) in between 2 syllables due to the problem I described above.

Sure I can check it with my dictionary, but am I not supposed to "know" it naturally? Sometime, I get confused how many syllables there are in one word.

In Korean, if one syllable consists of one onset, one nucleus and one coda (not obligatory), it's represented as one letter consisting 3 phonemes with onset on top, the nucleus in the middle and the coda at the bottom (not always though).

For example, the word cook would be represented as

C
oo
k
(in English)

or




(in Korean)

and that's one syllabic letter with 3 phonemic symbols in it. (2 dimensional)

And also there is physical and psychological stop (almost like glottal stop) between the syllables when you say them, so I must say Korean is very syllable oriented language..and sort of syllable timed when you are reading also.

I'm sorry if I'm not explaining it right, I tried my best to be as specific as possible.

Can someone please help me.... it took a whole day to complete this post.. T_t

I need help answering this one. Any ideas?

Posted by James Trotta at May 1, 2004 1:49 PM
Comments

Phew! I'd love to help you, but I think it's out of my league. What you need is an expert. Isn't there a linguists list or an EFL Pronunciation SIG list you can post it to?

Posted by: Graham at May 4, 2004 1:51 PM

Yeah I've been meaning to go to ask a linguist and submit this blog for their links section anyway...

Posted by: James Trotta at May 4, 2004 5:08 PM

What an interesting query. To answer your first question, yes, an English speaker is usually able to work out how many syllables there are in a word. However, just to complicate matters, the number of syllables may be different, depending on where you come from. For example, I, coming from the East Midlands of England, pronounce 'vegetables' with three syllables - vej tu buls (sorry, my phonetic font doesn't seem to work on this site, so I'm approximating, with the schwa as 'u'). On the other hand, my mother, who comes from the West Midlands of England pronounces the same word with 4 syllables - ve ji tu buls.

In order to count how many syllables there are in a word, you need to look first at how many vowel sounds there are. Counting dip- and triphthongs as one vowel sound, there are as many syllables as there are vowel sounds. Thus, in your example 'scrunched' there's only one syllable because there's only one vowel sound.

Except at the beginning of a word, it is rare for a vowel sound to begin a syllable. You've probably noticed that in my 'vegetable' example, when there are three syllables, the first is 'vej', whereas when there are four, the first is 've' so that the 'j' sound can be attached to the 'i' of the second syllable.
This is also what we tend to do suprasegmentally, with words in a sentence. Thus 'I'll have to come and see you' basically sounds like 'a laughter cu mun si yu' (once again approximating for the lack of phonetic symbols.

I've only just scratched (another monosyllable!) here, but I hope you find it of some use.

Posted by: Grable at April 5, 2005 9:38 PM
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